Had him bed down 30 yards from my stand through so foilage opening morning in Illinois. Got to watch him laying thier for about 1 hour moving his massive rack all over the place. He has a drop tine 4" on the right side and I believe he is pushing 14 points or more. I had to enhance this photo because of the distance the camera triggered and the lighting. I hope to see him again. He has "coke cans" for main beams!!!!