Ossage, I agree with everything you say. It' s what I' ve been trying to tell people all along. Theyre beating themselves up drawing these silly cams, wrench their shoulders when the cam rolls hard into the letoff and pretty much have to pull and hold into the wall to keep the b*stards from ripping their shoulders out of joint. 65% or 80% letoff is meaningless when you have to pull against the wall just to keep the bow drawn!

HOWEVER, P&Y' s reason for making the 65% rule is plain and simple - to maintain a clear and demonstrable difference between bows and crossbows. In other words, and what I believe is true, higher and higher letoffs are an open invitation for crossbows to get into bow seasons. P&Y laid their whole deck of cards on the table, explaining the rationale for their rules, in the Fifth Edition of Bowhunting Records of North American Big Game.

Today' s cams ARE too radical for most people that are shooting them. A whole lot of people are definitely overbowed, and it' s the high letoff that lets them to shoot too much draw weight.

I' ve seen some ladies complaining that 65% letoff would knock them out of hunting. More meadow muffins. There were more ladies shooting and hunting when letoff was 50% than there are now. What they' re basically saying is they aren' t nearly as much woman as those women were a generation ago.

And I could say the same thing about the men who claim they MUST have 300 fps bows in order to keep from wounding animals because of yardage misjudgements. In the first place, sitting there in their comfy treestands with lazer rangefinders, there is absolutely NO reason for a blown yardage estimate. They are also saying they aren' t as good as bowhunters were a generation ago when speeds were only around 200 fps.

I also say that if an animal is so far away that you need a rangefinder, it' s too darn far away to shoot at it.

There' s a guy on another site that signs off, " It' s supposed to be simple, not easy." I agree with that.