I disagree as well. No on what you saw, but on the actual real hot and heavy Rut won't start till after the 26th, probably the first full week in november. Ive seen a few small bucks of in the distance sparring but seen the a few nice ones, and they don't respond to any calls rattling, dont give a darn about does yet nothing. Just what ive been seeing and feelings are here in SE PA. Was nice to see some deer that close eh? Good luck to ya this year. maybe that 4pt's daddy will come along