Redpep, NOBODY borrows my Whites. I did give him that Optima nearly two years ago. He shot it for the first time today. I had put a scope on it and bore-sighted it but never fired it (you wouldn't expect ME to shoot one of those blow-apart barrels would ya? ). He said it was well in the paper and not far off the bull for his first shot at 50 yards. His 12 year old step-son shot it twice - and loved it. Maybe they will both enjoy it enough to get seriously involved.