Yo Timber, dont be a name dropper, check out the ballistics. All I stated is that the claim that the wm at 180 grain is the no-contest winner is false. I read the article and all I asked is for you to point out where the WM is the no-contest winner, thats all. Dont re-quote something that you dont understand. I would like to see bot you and bob forker show me a factory 180 gr load where the WM is the hands down winner. Very simple.