Ya got me there, Sorry i didn't get the name and address of the reps as they walked in and out of the store. Didn't care to either. I know what i know. If you believed the hype put out by winchester i feel for you. There is a lot that goes on in sporting arms that doesn't make it to the public. I'm not writing a book so I didn't feel the need to collect a names and most the articles i've read I passed on to customers so they could be informed. Couldn't tell you one name of one rep but I know what we talked about. I've spent several hours in clases about firearms and ammo. My problem is if it's a bunch of crap i wouldn't pass it on to the public just to make a sale. If you own a short mag in any gun other than a compact sorry bout your luck. I hope it shoots well. You couldn't give me one