What area of MD are you hunting Scrap? You know I seen two little 4pointers fighting last week befoe I went to MD, and another pushing a doe around. And thought it was quite early, but havent seen any of the such since. That is why I had asked about MD. But when I was in Mont. this past wknd I couldnt get them to do anything. Tickled a bag a lil, some soft grunts the can nothing, they all looked at me and went on eating and staying just out of range.