Frank, CAJUN & I were playing with each other. But now I' m serious! If people take the time to become accustomed to the Pat Dually they' ll be spending lots of money on arrows & vanes. I was shooting mine this afternoon and now have to repair vanes on half the arrows I took with me, and throw one away. Shooting a 365 gr arrow, pulling 55#, I can use one pin to 35 yds. Perfect for me, in IBO HC. I intend to try some lighter arrows soon. I found the same as you re: pulling arrows from 3D targets. I try to score and let someone else pull arrows.