Got it set up and took it out back for a test fire,not too bad,but louder than I had imagined.The red dot sight was cracked at the base,wobbling all over-go figure.I have a cheap tasco that came as a special with the order,a 2.5x32 mm for crossbow application,cost like $25.00 looks like i will be using it now,although I need to find rings to mount it.[:@]