great report Frank. I had a chance to draw (but not shoot) the Patriiot duel cam at the Harrisburg show. My impression was as most people when first drawing this bow and hitting the wall. The valley WAS short and right at the wall. No creep tuning this cam. I know they have improve this cam from previous years but like you said moving the valley and shoftening the cam a touch would take the bite out of of it. Other than that Bowtech has a great line of bows for a variety of shooters. JERRY