Love to hear guys say that to me in person. I hate them, they suck, they dont work, I'm skeptical, which everyone should be. Thats when I say let ride over to my casa, or, bring your rig over and lets do some shooting. I have 2 stands set up, 20 and 25 feet up on my property. Most cant come close to bulls when I move my targets in and out from 5 to 30 yards, love it,great seeing the look on their faces. All I can say, is Ive had person after person try and prove me wrong, even tournament shooters, most dont, some do. Pendulums do work.