thanks for the help guys i couldn't find any buck jam around my area, so i went with the cain, and some buck chow, i belive they are both made by evolved habitats, and this was a method that one of my buddys swears by, so im gonna give it a few days then go take a look, 4 sites, and one of them is in my parents front yard for thier pure amusment, they love it when the yard is full of deer and nobody can shoot them, so lets hope this **** works, like i have been told it does