I have tryed about ever arrow out there in the last 43 years bowhunting, shooting target and 3Ds. All the better end carbons are great arrows fast, lots of Ke, easy to tune, group great, bows ouit down and most of all I shoot through every thing. I'm using the Easton axis 400 now, smaller around for even better for pentration and shooting them at about 280. One pin out to 30 yards and shooting 2 inch groups are less out to 40 yards with my broadheads and the black ice bow is every every ouit, forgiving and putting out 69 lb of KE