Well, I will agree with you about ATV's eventhough locals seem to love them these days also. Just doesn't make one bit of sense to me that someone would drag an ATV upstate from the city to use it to get to his stand which is probably only a couple hundred yards from a road! Just ridiculous! If you want to joy ride on ATV's you have all year round to do it. Why wait for hunting season to do it? I can see someone firing one up to retrieve an animal, but in most cases that is unnecessary also since most hunters are no more than a mile from a road.