Here ya go. I'd shoot him. You know, he doesn't look like that old a deer, maybe 3 1/2. Hasn't developed the heavy shoulders and rump yet. From the angle it doesn't look like his belly is sagging that much. But he's dead in NY. Probably 20-22 inches wide. Nice deer in our neck of the woods. Let me rephrase that, a Great buck in our neck of the woods. POPE... when you go to photobucket and open the picture and then copy the html code. When you bring it over here and paste the code you have to change the capital IMG's at the front and back of you code to lower case img for the picture to work. Just the way it is on this site. So instead of having IMG inside the brackets and /IMG,you will have img and /img. P.S. Nice brows and G2s