thanks all help is needed . i have a lee and winchester manual . i am looking for a manual that might show lower loads like for police revolvers and target shooting. not for hunting . the loads i use now are fine for hunting i just need to find info to be safe at the lower loads . if i cant get the lower loads i am needing i will start loading 44 spc. and use a different bullet , that will help with what i need. if you no of any manuals that will help please post or let me no . and what would you say is the best over all manuals out there . thanks mark.??????????????????