I will admit I am pretty much a no go in that area. I always take a long tape out and set up my radius from my stands and blinds. I try to set up my 20 and 30 at 9,12, and 3 o'clock. Have thought about getting a range finder since I am planning on busting some long range coons this year, But I have got the green light from the wife to get a DVD Camcorder so that is what is next. Hopefully you guys will have some good flicks to watch this fall!