thanks alot big. thats a good explanation. i will go and try it, but i just thought i could get a general area. like ya said, an X wont help, but a general area with deer sightings would ya know, just somewhere to start. i think its like 9 thousand acres at liberty isnt it? thats alot to cover and find the deer on one day of scouting. but yea, i will try what ya said. ill try to scout thursday and then hunt saturday and maybe do what ya said, find soemwhere thurs. to set up, even if its not that good, hunt there sat. and then maybe get down at like 10 and walk around for a little while. try to find a good evening spot and then go from there. good advise big, thanks