Thats calling it out right there! LOL!! There is a nice group of guys in here that you show them proof and then they will pull out the photoshop card and still call you a liar! Your old man is wise!

I have seen some rubs in the first part of September. The bucks will start to establish there territory as soon as the velvet sheds and falls off. When the velvet is on, the bucks will still be in there close bachelor groups. Then when the hormones kick in and the velvet dies and then falls off they will disband and start to make rubs. If you have a buck with hard horns, thenhe will be making rubs, not sure how much size has to do with this though, not doubting the ol'man. I have seen scrapes in mid September one year. We had that year what seemed to be a early rut, size could have something to do with this depending on age of dear and how soon the glands work, not sure. Post pics, I would like to see a scrap with green foliage in the background be called a liar by the photo police! LOL!!