One thing that we all are forgetting here when the companies are claiming MOS or sub MOA guns, they are shooting expansive MATCH ammo, not your factory hunting loads. That ammo is suppossed to shoot the same every time you squeeze the trigger.
Usually, when we read the advertisements for these guns it says using premium ammo. And from what I see and read, it is usually black hills anymore.
i have to agree with the statment that most guns that make these claims, will shoot better than the average joe will be able to shoot them. There are lots of guys out there (NOT EVERYBODY) whose idea of shooting is once or twice to the range over the non hunting months to shoot the huntingload that they worked up 5 years ago, and then 1-2 times right beofr ethe hunting trip. AND, there are the guys that shoot almost weekly, until the hunting trip, and then mightbe every 2 weeks or so. It takes that kind of practice to shoot those sub MOA groups nearly everytie you go to the range. But that is just my opinion.