Thanks guys, the reason I wanted to know was that I now have a .270 and a .30-06 and I was thinking about getting a magnum. I have some friends that say the 7 mag drops em dead quickly for them. I inherited brass and loaded sheels when my brother died a few years ago but he no longer had the rifle at the time. Really I love guns so much that I think I am just looking for a good reason to buy another one.