I got it straightened out. It was the cheap Allen points from walmart. I weighed them and they weigh the same as the others. But they are very blunt. Alot different than the ones that came with bow. I put the original ones back on and no problem. Hitting dead on at 30yrds. I put the walmart ones on.... 4-5" low. I even tried both types with brand new Carbon Strike bolts (new from the pack). Same thing..... I also used digital scales that read to the 1/10 of a gram. Both brands were the same exact weight. My brother-in-law has bow hunted (verticle) since he was a kid and checked the tips out. He said it was kinda unusual that there was that much of a drop. But after he looked at them he said it's because the wally world ones are almost flat due to being so rounded. The other ones are much more tapered. I experimented with every combination and the end result was always the same. The walmart ones' poi was 4-5" lower everytime.

thanks for your help...

chris

(added) - I also tried the original ones at 40 yards. DEAD on.....