Hey PA - No more HOYTS.[] I shot the guardian and it is a nice bow. Don't know how I feel yet about the moving riser/pivot points. It's gonna be a tough choice this winter having to figure out which of the new bows I will be getting.

Glad to hear the Velvet is coming off. Can't wait to check things out Saturday. Good luck with the MX-4's. My step son is using those this year. He has not shot them yet but should get a chance this weekend since we hear the rain is "supposed" to stop for a while now.