ya expert shells, they were magnums and there was so many differnt size BB's from like 2-6 i swear and half bb's and tons of hollow ones and then BB's with steel all melted weird on em,dont think thier was a decent one.. i starting reloading steel this year so im gunna try some of those for early goose and see how they pay off.. 3 inch mags but with more BB's than a normal mag for the fact that i have a higher pressure on the wad..Swuack em