Ok, I give up. But let me say one more thing, Primitive and the Oldways is not the lazy ways.......modern ways just is lazy.......you know thats true......deep down...... guns are quicker and betterbut they are just evolving, not like the old bow of our ancestors which has been around since the beggining of time like I already said. A bow is more primitive and is a great hunting tool if properlly placed in the hands of a man with the mind of not giving up, taking the hard way even if it means getting only one kill in one week. A deep, dark, weapon placed underneath rock , trees , metal , and time.........when you bring a modern whitemans weapon into the woods, the trees cry and everything goes bad becasue it's out of place and nature was disturbed, and when the amazingly and ridicuolosly loud bang and crack from a "metal projectile weapon" is echoed throughout the woods, it's a great distrubence. I can see Guns being used in Military since they are so affective and way more lethal than the bow, but thats when it in the city of Iraq or wherever the next war might be. But in the woods it affects the peacefullness of everything, it's so out of place if a gun is there. There ain't no metal in Nature, or the forest, there isn't a solid piece of steel lying in the dirt next to an Oak tree to be made into a gun. Would you try building a gun in a survival situation if all you have is a knife?. Basically if you don't understand me becasue ofyour anger your planning to use to protect guns and how better they are to bows, all im saying is bows have there better things about them than guns, and guns have better things then bows. But the one big difference is that one of those is primitive........and primitive ways aint no lazy.......