HEY gimphunter,go to gander mountain and try a pair on with a thin pair of neopremes on and a pair of good wool socks and make sure there not tight on your feet you need them a little loose so your feet don't get cold when your sitting,make sure you by the insulated ones no less than 1000 GRAMS of inso,I guarantee that you will not be disapointed,if money is an issue go to gander mountain or someone who carrys them to make sure they fit good and you know what size to get,then look around for a better price.