I was at a bow shop today, the guy tells me dont use rage on turkeys they deploy and wont penatrate through the wing... anybody tried it? this is comming from a pSE dealer who was tellin me all bout the X-Force, i told him if i ever get into the expensive world of bows i was gettin a Bowtech...[:@]he didnt like that he said i was goin to be buying crap... he let me draw back the x-force and firestorm x neither one felt any better than my Element. neither one had a solid back wall at all.LOL