for me this will be myu first year bow hunting and my third hunting all togather i go more for size then antlers if hes a good size i will drop him but i plan to take does untill i see a4per side or 8 point for my first buckmy first year ikilled a nice size buck that was about 8 or 10 from 80 yards with a 12 ga but i got my truck stuck and when igot backthe guy that gave me a ride to town went back and stole him i did not even get to take the pic so i do notcount him nothing since