I used to do all my hunting in blue jeans and car-harts (sp) and never use any scent stuff at all and kill deer. My main set up now is I have a set of bibs and insulated jacket that I wash at the beginning of season and mid season with a non UV soap. It is scent free, but I do it mainly for the UV reasons. I have a older set of camo's and I was getting busted once in a while, deer would just look right up at me and spook! Found out about how deer see UV real good and started washing my camo in it and now I vary rarely get busted. That is all I do, I still use regular hair soap and regular everything else to. I think scent control is way overrated IMO. But will admit I think it depends on the person to. I have to be super hot and working hard to even break a sweat on my forehead, can't remember the last time I had "wet" arm pits. But some people just think about work and they sweat up a storm and can get a real good stink on after a fresh shower. These people are the ones I think have a problem and maybe need to do more. I think another thing is your area. My area is populated with houses doting that country side. It would be impossible for a deer to not smell something human regularly. Some areas way up in the bush where a deer may have never smelled anything human may have a harder time hunting. Also, the last time I used doe pee was the last time I was followed out of the woods by a buck in the dark! NO thank you!! Also to get back to the topic, I think the scent control market is way overrated IMO, just people cashing in on hungry hunters trying to score. Some of them guys on TV should feel bad about endorsing the jokes that they do IMO!!