Thanks Jeff. The closest tree that is marginal for setting up in is about two hundred yards away, maybe that will be good enough and I should start there. There is some trails that go by it not sure yet if they are hot ones or not. Is the area you speak of have beds worn down like that? I have never seen them and am still shocked by it when I do see it, but I have not been in there since mid march, have not wanted to screw it up. Was curious if I have a rare spot of lots of woods have spots like these, guys at work have never seen a spot like it either, they like me always thought a deer had different beds every time and a mashed down spot of grass was the only beds a deer ever used.