Thnx Silver, hopefully you will see a close up of him. However, if that 13 pt I posted a pic of comes by first I'll take him also.That is a really pretty 8 though, nice and symetrical with good width, mass and overall length. I'd be extremely happy with either one. Im not sure how much bigger that 8 will get if I let him go another season, I have lots of pics of him from last season and he didnt get a whole lot bigger this year.