A 200 lb live weight deer around my house is a big deer. I have seen 2 killed that went over 200 on the hoof. Although i killed a 3.5 yr old 8 point that was 172 lbs.and a 2.5 that was 189 lbs. That is a nice recovery on that deer though. I still have some with messed up racks, but luckily whereI saw "Rob's" deer i also saw two 10 points last night that would both go over 125". Since the hunting club beside us stopped killing everything and planting plots the deer have gotten ton's bigger. I have never seen deer like this around here. Jeff, i hope you lay the smack down on that one in your quest for does, it would be a nice addition to the season wouldnt it.