I gave up on everything but bow. Too easy to kill something out to 300yrds with a rifle, 150 yrds with a muzzleloader. I like them close, last few deer have been within 18yrds. Closest 8 yards w/ a 06. Last season didn't hunt with anything but a bow. I have a few places but nothing to brag about this year. The city with a bow is the place to be. Big deer and plenty of them if you can get in. Have you traveled 52 and seen all the deer in the hay field before Main St. exit. Saw 30 there before. Where did you got to school?