You are absolutely right, awshucks, my bad.They're Bemans with 4" vanes. They "came with the bow'' but it was a 'local' package. I do shoot the Gold Tips Lazer II's that Excal (used to) sell with the bow, the ones with the 5'' vanes and aluminum inserts, as my hunting arrow. Those I havn't chroned (yet) but I don't expect them to be as fast.