Three years ago a nice 8 piont came within 20 yards I was allset plenty off time calmed down no heart raceing, I let it ripe right for the lungs, wouldnt you know it I hit a sliver off a dead fall I mean only two inches sticking up right in front of his vitals, I could hit it if I tried. A inch either side and it was a kill. well anyway it sounded like a firecraker that deer jumped and did a circle I allmost had a second shot, He milled around for atleast 10 min. so dont throw the bow.......