I usually start at 10 yards, then move to 20, then sometimes to 25 or 30, but not very often from more than 20. I'm OK for hunting at 20 to 25, but I won't shoot at a deer that's further than that. A big part of the problem is where I live (DC), so it's really hard for me to practice very often. It's 45 minutes each way (hour-and-a-half round trip) to the nearest place I can shoot, without traffic (and believe me, there's usually plenty of traffic around DC), so it's just not someting I can do nearly as often as I would like.