thanx i will check them manufacturers out...all i really need to decide on is sights and things like that my dad will take care of the reciever stuff i really dont know jack about them...and i seen a competiton fat bottomed pistol grip with finger groves which i think id be steadier with...i found a jewled trigger to put in it...so a forarm barrel and sights i should be one my way...i will talk to my dad tomarow about it and tell him im interested in target shooting and finding local shoots and maybe when im real real good i will move on and that i think it will be a good investment because i love shooting..it really wont cost to much more from what we were building me...a real shortie with a collapsable stock and all..but i realyl dont need a tactical machine yet..id like a tack driver and i think id like to get into competiton shooting...i watched one on tv the other day and it looked fun win or loose....anyone else have some sights or anyhting?? also should i put in a good titanium firing pin or would the standard one be fine for my uses?? nothing big yet mainly just a target gun right now...thanx