I trained my kids on a H+R 158 single shot 30-30 to make them place their first shot correctly.It has a 4x Bushnell Banner and consistantly shoots MOA with both 150-170gr handloads.My 14 year old shot several deer and his first moose with it last year. My older son used his mother's Win 70 FWT in 6.5x55 and dropped several deer until I bought him a 25-06 when he filled out physically.I also like to get kids shooting my scoped Sav99 in .250 Sav ,no recoil and dead deer at the receiving end................set them up on deer travel routes between feeding and bedding area's so 50 yards is the average range over shooting sticks........Harold