thanks. i think i may try them because of the good reviews ive read. i just wasnt 100% convinced. ive heard the rage broadheads are awesome as well but the closest place to me that sells them is about 2 hrs away and i do tend to lose arrows just like everyone else and i didnt want to have to drive 2 hrs everytime i need a replacement blade or new broadheads completely. also the guy at the local bow shop proudly displays the shoulder blade of a deer that his GR blasted through along with the broadhead still in great condition. but like i said one mans opinion wasnt quite enough.