Yep this debate is important to me, you called me wrong, when ididnt think Iwas, i dont want to make enemies ( i dont think we are ) as i see it as a good debate nothing more, but like i said if i thaught i was wrong i was say i was wrong, if you had actually proved to me at any point i was wrong i would have gave in and said you know what, i am wrong, i see that now, like the native american bows, you didnt give me any real proof of their bows being higher than 30 pounds, but i couldnt prove they werent and i was basing it off what i had read in someones post somewhere, so i assumed you may be right and said i could be wrong...