I'm with ya Deerslayer, bought them last year and out of my bow they flew exactly like my field points. Maybe my bow was just tuned good?? I dunno but i'm not planning on changing. I know I shot a doe with one and she went.. I dunno 15- 20 yards with a blood trail Ray Charles could follow.

Like I said earlier the Rage expand-ables look cool but for the money i'm staying with MX 4's