thanks phil, I think I may try spot and stalk bow. I have the perfect setup for it being thatI have unlimited access to natural deer scent. My dads a deer farmer and nothing covers your scent better than letting a deer take a nap on your gear. Ive had deer walk downwind within 10 feet of me, look at me and continue eating. Thats only for early season, once they start getting ready to rut its too dangerous to get in the pen that the bucks are in and I definately dont want my clothes smelling like something worth trying to breed. But thanks for the tip, sounds challenging and could be a good time.