isnt there super short mags(wssm) out now too?? i dont think that garbs needed...why call it a short mag or a ultra mag?? call it something else!..i really feel the standard mags and the regular calibers are perfect and weve proved it for years..dead is dead and when i hit em with my 06 thats dead enough...i actually feel the 06 overkills at the ranges i shoot deer...(no farther than 50yds) but hey i have a chance to be walking down a wide open path like i do for 2 miles to get to my spot that i can see a deer 200yds away..even that far i know i can hit it and kill with my 06...who needs a short mag??