Yeah, I understand... I was trying to limit my own opinions to factory ammo, and I think maybe you thought that I thought you were trying to put alimitation on my opinion, which wasn't the case. (I hope that made sense). It just seemed to me, as someone else said, that some of the guys were suggesting that the .257 was a "Hammer of Thor" deer rifle, whereas the .243 couldn't give a black eye to a gopher... I was trying to point out, since the original poster seemed not to be a handloader, that while the .257 is an outstanding 200 yard deer rifle, the .243 has a slight edge in performance. Maybe James B gets me a little riled up because of his fairly regular slurs against the .243...