my opion is for a tree dog walker now im a blue guy and actualy have a coonhunt tonight ukc but anyways Walkers are breed now to tree theres good and bad in this some wlakers will slick tree all day some wont its training what it comes down to walkers just seem to start earlier but then again my new blue pup is 5months and tree's pritty good but its all trainign if you ask me but be carful you dont want a slick treer