the only thing i pass on stand is gas. havent had one wind it yet

i do understand what you mean. i cant say ive passed deer. ive let them walk...without sending an arrow their way...but cant say ive past them. im confident...but like in my case last year...you dont know when that deer is going to duck the arrow. alot of guys would call an 18yd shot a chip shot. or if they didnt shoot they would say they past it. i dont consider myself a great shot. but i can shot..and do so daily. 18yds and not a lick of buck fever i know i made the shot. the buck told me otherwise and decided to duck. stuff happens. time to go shoot for the second time today....