I know this was meant to be a shorter, handier rifle (like the Model 7 of centerfires)but thosegroups still aren't good considering that. With some load experimenting I think you could shoot 1-2" at 50 yards instead of 2-3. That said, I thinkTraditions could've riskedputting some slightly more expensive sights on it, but overall if you keep your loads to reasonable pressures thisshould be a good close range weapon.