Both times I hunted were in zone 15 also. I don't have the deer drivers, but I got the pheasant hunters. I would have passed on the bucks also. There is nothing worse than shooting a good buck this late and having his rack fall off when he hits the ground. I need one more small one, wife says we need chopmeat. Hey NJ, I see they are going to put up some homes on the corner of Paint Island and 537. It was in the paper last week. Fantastic huh!!! See ya later, MWX