Striper Phil I'm glad you live in a world were everthing can be answered by kissing butt and good jobs. Not everyone lives in your world. The people I'm talking about are farmers there farms aren't very big. They sometimes have a rough run of luck. they bust there a$$es to keep there property and keep there kids clothed etc... They work a heck of alot harder then most. they take a deer or 2 just so they can have meat. I think they have every reason to have pride they work long hours and are sh## on by society. At one time this country was run by farmers.