Well let me just say I fell 20 feet. Its not a fun thing. I wasnt sure I could make it out of the woods. But I did. I have a broken back that I have lived with since 1992. I fell from a hang on stand. I fell while I was coming down from the tree. My back will never get better. If I elected to have the surgery I have a 70% chance to walk again, but a 30% chance to be in a wheel chair. I elect to suffer with the pain instead of the odds they have given me. Safety is a must. I learned the hard way. I just keep on going cause Im never sure from one time to the next if I will be paralyzed. I mean I still use my climber and frequently. I also use a homemade ladder stand that is very safe. I will never use a hang on stand again. Especially with the screw in steps. Im definetly against the hang ons and screw in steps. Im just happy to be able to enjoy one of the things I truely love to do in life. Lifes to short be safe...